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| Posted by Thatched House on 09-1-2005 11:19 PM |
| All this is true, I know of a band that plays my venue regularly that agreed verbally to it over the phone, changed their minds after consulting myself and others. Then white said they were going to take legal action LOL. If they were serious and really believed in your music they would act like an agency, put it on the cd free and charge a small fee for their services if a label was interested. STAY WELL AWAY. |
| Posted by Encierro on 03-6-2005 4:14 PM |
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thanks for the advice was going to get details sent to me but decided against it now.
just spoke to the guy on the phone and i recon he'll be having a look for this thread! oh and this also lets people know that they are still doing this! **EDIT** he phoned me again and said it was not true and that they do do what they say they do but for £500 i would like more evidence |
| Posted by Pallas on 03-6-2005 4:50 PM |
| Just avoid this type of offer. work hard, get a fanbase, revise your songs - there is no easy way to get signed unless u are extremeley luckily - it is hard work and thats the best part of it |
| Posted by Until Escape on 05-2-2007 9:49 PM |
| god, this is terrible, i cant believe this has happened to so many of you, i am a representative of until escape. the white got in touch with them through overplay when they had a profile there and asked them if they would like all the usual benefits they offer, mostly things about being published in a magazine i think, at the time the band were very young and agreed, they have now recieved thre letters, or i should say, bills for £500, which they are not going to pay obviously as this 'company' has done absolutely nothing. but it is quite scary being told you owe money and i know that some people would just pay up, it sickens me, i hope that the word gets out about them beofre any more young and naive musicians get stung. |
| Posted by To The Bones on 08-2-2007 1:02 AM |
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sly bastards. dont do this people which im sure you already know.
Heres something to be aware of. theyre linked to BOOTLEG management based in manchester. All full of shit believe me. Gerry is the name,- hes the honcho and one of his side kick declan scamming bands. haha. Must think people are stupid, i actually laughed down the phone when i heard this ages ago. Well before this white label was launched. |
| Posted by UKB Office on 08-2-2007 9:19 AM |
| I think there is another thread named "beware of the white" there has been many complaints about the white but there are a few using the same name so is this the same one as I know there is one on the south coast |
| Posted by The Redwood Thinkers on 09-2-2007 10:00 PM |
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Bit upsetting for these guys if they are not the scamming scummers. think they better revise their name if they are not! You could prob do a lot more yourselves with £500 anyway. HARD WORK.
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| Posted by UKB Office on 09-2-2007 10:48 PM |
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I found this
http://www.myspace.com/nizzawhitelabel ABOUT THE WHITE: The White is an Industry Standard Format compilation, designed for record companies to ensure that the distribution of promotional releases reach the attention of those who matter in the music industry. The White promotional album on CD and Vinyl is received by the top 1000 music industry professionals. This includes Radio DJ's, Independent DJ's, Club DJ's, Venues, Promoters, Radio Stations, Music Agencies, TV, Film, Advertising and Computer Games Developers. The White guarantees that your track gets an authentic reaction from a broad spectrum of Industry players by providing each industry contact with a Reaction Chart, to evaluate the impact your new music release has on the all-important record buying public. The White makes good business sense for record companies and by utilizing our promotional service you will target 90% of the UK; biggest and best Venues in a more cost effective way than any other promotional vehicle. The White is an established marketing tool that generates maximum exposure of new music releases. The White believe the music of each individual or group will speak for itself through our exclusive, up to date mail out service. There are ten tracks released on CD of each White release. Would you like to be a part of it? CHECK OUT or CALL 0161 833 XXXX |
| Posted by To The Bones on 13-2-2007 10:17 PM |
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yeah its the manchester management label one. They can suck all of our ****'s.
theyve got several reps working for them targetting bands on myspace. you gotta watch out and be careful. When they sent the link for the website which i cant remember now......it was still under contruction and looking shabby.Luckily, I already knew of them before this guy contacted me via email. all need tea bagging if you ask me  peace.
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| Posted by Fermato on 23-10-2008 5:25 PM |
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Hi, Maarten from the Dutch band Plastic Halo here. See below my conversation on MySpace with this label, pretty self-explanatory. Stay away from them, is what I say..
Hiya, I noticed you on Elbows page and I have just been listening to your tracks and i'm very interested. I'm a music promoter for White Label and we release promo comp albums for the music industry in the UK & Ireland. If you are interested and you would like to hear more you can get in touch with me through here or sean@thewhite.co.uk. You can also give me a call on office-0161 8339222 or mobile-07891 413098. Or if you like just leave your number and I will give you a call. Regards, Sean -- This is were I called him, sounds like a friendly guy but only then mentioned the 500 pounds-fee, and he promised me to send details by mail. Hiya, ok here it is for you to have a look through. I work for a company called "White Label" which is based in Manchester. We put together promo copy only albums which are distributed to the top 2000 music industry professionals in the UK Ireland. They are not sold in any stores but go out on 500 vinyl 1500 cds to djs, independent djs, radio djs (not only your Radio 1s XFMS of this world but also your more local university stations), music agencies, promoters venues also get copies (which helps you out with gigs tours) tv companies, advertising agencies, music press record labels. Obviously because we don"t sell the albums, that's why we charge a fee. Now if you were to do this yourself in the UK, it could cost you anything between £5000 £8000. That's where we come in, we look after the whole pressing mastering of the cd vinyl (this is done at Revolution, one of the finest studios in the country, check them out in my friends list on myspace) aswell as the distribution. To actually book onto the album you don"t have to pay the full £500 straight away, but we do ask for a £100 deposit as this then secures your place on the album (the rest you can pay off in instalments if you wish). You get copies of the album yourself (5 on vinyl 10 on cd). We always say to try keep your track to a maximum of 4 mins long as you want as much radio play as possible. Once your track has been released, you start to get all your reaction sheets back to let you know how your track has been doing (whether that be record label interest, tour interest or even radio shows). There are 10 artists on each album (10 different tracks) your copyright is not affected at all as it's a promo only copy album. We only have two slots left on the albums for the rest of the year now. One is on a December release and the other a Feb. You can also find more info at www. thewhite. co. uk Does this sound like something you would be interested in? -------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Well, we're still interested, but I would like to know what your defence is after reading threads like these: ..http://www. unsignedbandweb. com/topic9014. html.. ..http://www. ukbands. net/thread. php?postid=2907.. Best, Maarten --------------------------------------------------------------- We are at this moment in time in dispute with Ukbands. net for allowing such rubbish to be written about us. If you hang on a second I will mail you an open later from the owner of the company Allan Robinson to show you. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Internet Slander a letter from Allan Robinson Body: Dear Friend, Some years ago I started the White to give unknown artistes and their music the same chance as major artistes getting their music played around the country for a fraction of the price. Before starting the business I asked Trading Standards to visit and give any help or advice. After their visit I applied the information given in order to adhere correctly to the law and good business practice White was then copyrighted and Trademarked, and the business was launched. Since then I have produced 27 albums. No one can dispute we provide a cost saving, labour saving service. A Promotional Album where clients share the costs. Each album is mastered by one of the best studios in the country, then it is manufactured by the best Pressing Plant in Europe then we package, label and stamp 1500 Cd and 500 Vinyl and send 2000 of our known Industry Contacts including Radio Stations, Radio DJs, Club DJs, Independent DJs, Student Radio Stations, Internet Stations, Film, TV, Music Agencies, Press etc even the British Armed Forces, these are all sent by Post Office Certificates of Posting and Special Delivery and Recorded Delivery. These receipts and database can be shown to any Solicitor in Manchester City Centre to prove we do what we say we do. Clients who appear on the White get 10 cds and 5 vinyl each. Clint Boon (of Inspiral Carpets & XFM speaking on his radio show on XFM, Manchester on the 28/8/08 said " Oh Yeah I get the White album its great, full of Up & Coming Talent.......Nice One........Keep up the good work ! " With regard to internet slander, there will always be people or businesses in competition with me and willing to trump up such slander, they are usually the ones who offer to manufacture thousands of cd/vinyl for you costing you thousands of pounds, yes you have the product but who to send to and would they accept it ? Plus you still have the postage and admin. That’s why UKBands .net rang me up asking for my database......so they could steal my business and be in direct competition. By the way not only would that be against The Data Protection Act, none of my contacts in the Industry would be very pleased either. UKBands. net have been informed they are breaking Copyright and Trademark laws by displaying my logo without permission. They also will not publish on their website the letters I have sent them asking them to desist in their illegal activities. Furthermore we are Music Promoters not agents, managers, publishers etc. We are not "Star Makers" nor do we ever say we are. If we did that we would charge £50,000 minimum per artiste. We provide a cost saving, labour saving service. A Promotional Album where clients share the costs. We get your music to the people who matter within the Music Industry in the UK and Ireland. PS I have worked with: Bob Marley Humble Pie Bachman Turner Overdrive Chuck Berry Emerson Lake & Palmer Led Zepplin Bay City Rollers Slade Quintessence David Bowie Mott The Hoople Three Dog Night Lou Reed The Rolling Stones The Incredible String Band Beck Bogart & Appice Earth Wind & Fire James Taylor Judas Priest Melanie Ike & Tina Turner Bad Co Jnr Walker & The Allstars Richie Havens Martha Reeves Paul McCartney & Wings The Animals King Crimson Strawbs Labbi Siffri Gary Glitter Suzi Quattro Focus Elton John Hawkwind ELO John Denver 10cc Sweet Sensation James Brown Bryan Ferry Velvet Underground The Searchers Judas Priest Alice Cooper Mannassas Curved Air Queen Pilot Genesis Yes Santana The Who I have also promoted Sex Pistols Slits Sad Cafe Drones Motorhead Thin Lizzy Warsaw Pakt Joy Division John Cooper Clarke Buzzcocks XTC Sham 69 AC/DC New York Dolls The Clash Wayne County & The Electric Chairs Slaughter & The Dogs Ian Drury & The Blockheads Stiff Little Fingers Sensational Alex Harvey Band Jon The Postman Jenny Haans Lion The Adverts The Rezillos The Damned Johnny Moped The Stranglers UK Subs Prefects Generation X Ultravox Xray Spex Billy Idol The Fall Slugs Madness The Vibrators Steel Pulse Ramones The Jam UB40 Dire Straits Killjoys Penetration As you can see for over 30 years I have helped a lot of unknown bands go on to be Supergroups, and I’m still doing it. Yours sincerely Allan Robinson ----------------------------------------------------- Ok did you get the letter ok and would you like to take the Feb slot? -------------------------------------------------------- I don't think we will, for the following reasons: - Your name doesn't show up on Google with or without any of the (impossible long list of) artists you mentioned. - The reactions about it on the internet: everybody seems to get the same message about the last open slot(s). - There are lots of other initiatives like this that don't charge as much as 500 pounds, and nowhere on the internet is a band mentioned that actually got helped by White Label. - You didn't talk about the fee in the first message, that's at least very suspicious. So all in all it doesn't seem very secure to me, 500 pounds is a lot of money. I would like to hear your reaction to this. Best, Maarten -------------------------------------------------------------- What do you want me to do I have explained eveything to you! I think you are wasting my time to be honest. If you would rather speak over the phone then leave a number but I feel I have told you all I can do and do not wish to carry on emailing. Like I say if you want to talk properly then I will call. We are not "suspicious" nor are we "fake" or anything else other than what I have told you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm at work so I can't call you right now, else I definitely would. I explained carefully what my doubts are before spending this large amount of money, and it's more than logically you calmly respond to that in a professional way. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You are not making any sense. Leave a number and I will call you when you have a break. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd rather not, preferring to get things straight over e-mail as English is not my native language and I have to get in touch with my bandmates in between to discuss the case. As I said, it's a lot of money and I would like to have all doubts removed before we take any steps. If the only response to my clearly defined question is that I don't make any sense and I'm wasting your time, then let's end our discussion here. All the best, Maarten ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You really aren't making any sense I have told you everything! If I told you anything else it would be a lie. You have all the info I can give you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, then thanks for the effort, but you couldn't take my doubts away with just an open letter and not responding to the reasons we were hesitating. Sorry to let this one go, good luck! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't understand you WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok, short and clear: I want you to secure me it's a legit offer, after my research about White Label. Once again: - Your name doesn't show up on Google with or without any of the (impossible long list of) artists you mentioned. - The reactions about it on the internet: everybody seems to get the same message about the last open slot(s). - There are lots of other initiatives like this that don't charge as much as 500 pounds, and nowhere on the internet is a band mentioned that actually got helped by White Label. - You didn't talk about the fee in the first message, that's at least very suspicious. I would like you to give me some examples and proofs of bands you helped before we also spend the 500. And, as I said, I would like to know WHY these things written on a respectable forum are NOT TRUE, in your point of view. And please, don't just say it is rubbish, please tell me why, or prove them wrong: "Yet more Bands are still contacting me to say they have been taken by this "Label" they will promise you "AIRPLAY" I have tried to verifiy many of there so called "Radio stations" including some from the BBC, all told me they had never heard of "The White Label" and would never play their so called submissions...." "the white Label are known to be ripping of Bands all over the UK." "i recieved a contract from these which basically stated "sign this and we can nick your music" as dreams was the one in question,,, no ******* way! stay clear peeps" "It's amazing.... I know a Band and I know others that have been caught be businesses that say they are "a Label" and then they contract them into paying the label a monthly sum for "Jack Shit" the label just gives them t he badge and takes their money...be careful people the world is full of shit people like this. ALWAYS GET ADVICE BEFORE SIGNING ANYTHING. The white knows what was said in these forums, I emailed them and told them about it, they never came back" "yeah, i knew this band called neo-nemisis and the label took the 500 then told them there deal was "cancelled"" "All this is true, I know of a band that plays my venue regularly that agreed verbally to it over the phone, changed their minds after consulting myself and others. Then white said they were going to take legal action LOL. If they were serious and really believed in your music they would act like an agency, put it on the cd free and charge a small fee for their services if a label was interested. STAY WELL AWAY." "god, this is terrible, i cant believe this has happened to so many of you, i am a representative of until escape. the white got in touch with them through overplay when they had a profile there and asked them if they would like all the usual benefits they offer, mostly things about being published in a magazine i think, at the time the band were very young and agreed, they have now recieved thre letters, or i should say, bills for £500, which they are not going to pay obviously as this 'company' has done absolutely nothing." "Heres something to be aware of. theyre linked to BOOTLEG management based in manchester. All full of shit believe me. Gerry is the name,- hes the honcho and one of his side kick declan scamming bands. haha. Must think people are stupid, i actually laughed down the phone when i heard this ages ago. Well before this white label was launched." "I think there is another thread named "beware of the white" there has been many complaints about the white but there are a few using the same name so is this the same one as I know there is one on the south coast" "yeah its the manchester management label one. They can suck all of our ****'s. theyve got several reps working for them targetting bands on myspace. you gotta watch out and be careful. When they sent the link for the website which i cant remember now......it was still under contruction and looking shabby.Luckily, I already knew of them before this guy contacted me via email" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My name would not show up with those artists because I haven't worked with them. Allan Robinson the OWNER of the company has worked with all of those artists and helped to get them where they are today..I thought that was pretty clear from the letter and website? Regarding the same message of course if we only have a couple of slots left then we will tell the artists that..what is wrong with that? All you have to do is read the messages below to realise that we are not the only White Label..understand? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did Google Allan Robinson, as his name was under the open letter. No results. And then again, that was just an answer to one of my points. Let's call it a quit then. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As I said earlier thanks for wasting my time! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |